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		<title>Comment on WILL UNWOUND #771: &#8220;R U an Introverted Extrovert or an Extroverted Introvert?&#8221; by Leslie McDonough</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leslie McDonough]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 15:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please -  I&#039;ve seen too many of these management scams.  Burn the books and ban the authors from conferences and training sessions!  Management isn&#039;t easy, and there is no one simple solution.  

I think the fish tossing thing was what put me over the edge...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please &#8211;  I&#8217;ve seen too many of these management scams.  Burn the books and ban the authors from conferences and training sessions!  Management isn&#8217;t easy, and there is no one simple solution.  </p>
<p>I think the fish tossing thing was what put me over the edge&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on WILL UNWOUND #771: &#8220;R U an Introverted Extrovert or an Extroverted Introvert?&#8221; by Lynne I.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lynne I.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 15:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Years ago, when I was still in banking, we were asked to take the Myers-Briggs assessment.  I came out as INTJ.  Several years of therapy later, I retook the test and came out as INFP.  That surprised the hell out of the HR person, as did the fact that I also dropped out of a well-respected MBA program because I hated it.  

I am pretty definitely an introvert, but I think I was a good manager.  My successor, whom we all thought would do really well as a manager, is pretty much failing a year into the job.  She is probably an extrovert but is having power and people problems.

I&#039;ve always pushed against being boxed into a type.  Many people thought I should be a cataloger, and there were aspects of that job that I liked.  But I chose Reference and loved it for quite a few years, basically until the attitudes and demands of &quot;patrons&quot; changed.  I added managing Tech Services &amp; Cataloging, and so got the best of both worlds.

All of which means that people are complex individuals, not pegs to be slotted into round or square holes.  What happens to the rectangles and triangles and octagons among us?  Or, god help us, the tetrahedrons?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Years ago, when I was still in banking, we were asked to take the Myers-Briggs assessment.  I came out as INTJ.  Several years of therapy later, I retook the test and came out as INFP.  That surprised the hell out of the HR person, as did the fact that I also dropped out of a well-respected MBA program because I hated it.  </p>
<p>I am pretty definitely an introvert, but I think I was a good manager.  My successor, whom we all thought would do really well as a manager, is pretty much failing a year into the job.  She is probably an extrovert but is having power and people problems.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always pushed against being boxed into a type.  Many people thought I should be a cataloger, and there were aspects of that job that I liked.  But I chose Reference and loved it for quite a few years, basically until the attitudes and demands of &#8220;patrons&#8221; changed.  I added managing Tech Services &amp; Cataloging, and so got the best of both worlds.</p>
<p>All of which means that people are complex individuals, not pegs to be slotted into round or square holes.  What happens to the rectangles and triangles and octagons among us?  Or, god help us, the tetrahedrons?</p>
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		<title>Comment on WILL UNWOUND #771: &#8220;R U an Introverted Extrovert or an Extroverted Introvert?&#8221; by met</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[met]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 15:10:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I feel your pain.  I didn&#039;t realize that a couple of best selling books that suggested that time to be quiet and think might be good for some people had brought a new round of management inflicted retreats.  Why can&#039;t managers just read these books, then look at themselves and their organization and consider how their new knowledge could make it better?  Then gradually discuss the things they want to do with the rest of the staff?  It&#039;s being jerked one way one year, then another way the next that I always found so annoying.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel your pain.  I didn&#8217;t realize that a couple of best selling books that suggested that time to be quiet and think might be good for some people had brought a new round of management inflicted retreats.  Why can&#8217;t managers just read these books, then look at themselves and their organization and consider how their new knowledge could make it better?  Then gradually discuss the things they want to do with the rest of the staff?  It&#8217;s being jerked one way one year, then another way the next that I always found so annoying.</p>
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		<title>Comment on WILL UNWOUND #771: &#8220;R U an Introverted Extrovert or an Extroverted Introvert?&#8221; by Michelle Mears</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michelle Mears]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 14:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s hardwired into our brains to categorize things.  It is an unavoidable and essential skill set.  Primitive humans had to know whether something was safe or dangerous.  I think an enlightened view of categorization allows us some fluidity, and encourages us to not accept definitions as finite but as snapshots of time.  In college, I was an INTJ but maybe now I am an &quot;E&quot; or a &quot;P.&quot;  Well, maybe not the P, I am a judger and a decision maker and I hate it when someone can&#039;t make a choice.  I know I stopped being nervous about speaking in public when I found a profession that I love.  I can talk all day, every day about libraries.  

And as a student of human nature, I also find it kind of interesting to hear the people who protest so vigorously against stereotypes.  They really aren&#039;t arguing against the brain&#039;s habit of making categories, but against how people behave because of stereotypes.  Even if no one gave you a label, your brain would make one up eventually.  Wishing there were no such things as stereotypes is impossible.  Wishing people would stop, think, act rationally, and open up their hearts and minds to the incredible and beautiful variety of life is a life&#039;s work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hardwired into our brains to categorize things.  It is an unavoidable and essential skill set.  Primitive humans had to know whether something was safe or dangerous.  I think an enlightened view of categorization allows us some fluidity, and encourages us to not accept definitions as finite but as snapshots of time.  In college, I was an INTJ but maybe now I am an &#8220;E&#8221; or a &#8220;P.&#8221;  Well, maybe not the P, I am a judger and a decision maker and I hate it when someone can&#8217;t make a choice.  I know I stopped being nervous about speaking in public when I found a profession that I love.  I can talk all day, every day about libraries.  </p>
<p>And as a student of human nature, I also find it kind of interesting to hear the people who protest so vigorously against stereotypes.  They really aren&#8217;t arguing against the brain&#8217;s habit of making categories, but against how people behave because of stereotypes.  Even if no one gave you a label, your brain would make one up eventually.  Wishing there were no such things as stereotypes is impossible.  Wishing people would stop, think, act rationally, and open up their hearts and minds to the incredible and beautiful variety of life is a life&#8217;s work.</p>
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		<title>Comment on WILL UNWOUND #771: &#8220;R U an Introverted Extrovert or an Extroverted Introvert?&#8221; by met</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[met]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 14:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nicely put.  If I hadn&#039;t gone to library school I probably would have forced myself to get past the statistics and gone for a masters in psychometrics.  It can really drive one nuts watching how the employee workshop industry turns a useful tool into a meaningless waste of an afternoon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicely put.  If I hadn&#8217;t gone to library school I probably would have forced myself to get past the statistics and gone for a masters in psychometrics.  It can really drive one nuts watching how the employee workshop industry turns a useful tool into a meaningless waste of an afternoon.</p>
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		<title>Comment on WILL UNWOUND #771: &#8220;R U an Introverted Extrovert or an Extroverted Introvert?&#8221; by met</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[met]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 14:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, I&#039;m a little touchy about the p-a label. I think one of the reasons that introverts get labeled as passive-aggressive is that we tend to go off and think about a situation before we act.  While most people have a little bit of both, certainly for my entire lifetime the value has been placed on the extrovert.  Just the fact that we have to &quot;act&quot; like extroverts says something.  When was the last time an extrovert had to act like an introvert?

I always figured you have a bit of introvert in you.  I can&#039;t see an extrovert going off alone to the batting cages to work off stress.

You&#039;re right about the management gurus.  They are a blight.  Maybe we could get for funding from the government to study ways to control, if not to completely eradicate them?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I&#8217;m a little touchy about the p-a label. I think one of the reasons that introverts get labeled as passive-aggressive is that we tend to go off and think about a situation before we act.  While most people have a little bit of both, certainly for my entire lifetime the value has been placed on the extrovert.  Just the fact that we have to &#8220;act&#8221; like extroverts says something.  When was the last time an extrovert had to act like an introvert?</p>
<p>I always figured you have a bit of introvert in you.  I can&#8217;t see an extrovert going off alone to the batting cages to work off stress.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right about the management gurus.  They are a blight.  Maybe we could get for funding from the government to study ways to control, if not to completely eradicate them?</p>
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		<title>Comment on WILL UNWOUND #771: &#8220;R U an Introverted Extrovert or an Extroverted Introvert?&#8221; by Elise</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elise]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 14:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Really?  I am introvert--happily so--and I LOVE teaching my students.  I LOVE being in front of them and showing them something new and sometimes making a fool of myself.  I get bored when I&#039;m working on an online tutorial in my office for too long.  Sure, after a class, I hide in my office for a little while to recoup, but I don&#039;t think introvert teachers are too rare.  I&#039;m not too bad at managing my students, either.  My lack of desire to be director is due to the fact that I don&#039;t want to make all the decisions and be the bad guy all the time with outside groups, not because I&#039;m in introvert.  I disagree with most of your post, Will.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really?  I am introvert&#8211;happily so&#8211;and I LOVE teaching my students.  I LOVE being in front of them and showing them something new and sometimes making a fool of myself.  I get bored when I&#8217;m working on an online tutorial in my office for too long.  Sure, after a class, I hide in my office for a little while to recoup, but I don&#8217;t think introvert teachers are too rare.  I&#8217;m not too bad at managing my students, either.  My lack of desire to be director is due to the fact that I don&#8217;t want to make all the decisions and be the bad guy all the time with outside groups, not because I&#8217;m in introvert.  I disagree with most of your post, Will.</p>
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		<title>Comment on WILL UNWOUND #771: &#8220;R U an Introverted Extrovert or an Extroverted Introvert?&#8221; by Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 13:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rolling Rock works, everytime!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rolling Rock works, everytime!</p>
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		<title>Comment on WILL UNWOUND #771: &#8220;R U an Introverted Extrovert or an Extroverted Introvert?&#8221; by Linda Reimer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Linda Reimer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 13:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nuts, the typo gremlin strikes again. Of course I meant to use the word &quot;an&quot; and not &quot;and in that second paragraph. Apologizes!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nuts, the typo gremlin strikes again. Of course I meant to use the word &#8220;an&#8221; and not &#8220;and in that second paragraph. Apologizes!</p>
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		<title>Comment on WILL UNWOUND #771: &#8220;R U an Introverted Extrovert or an Extroverted Introvert?&#8221; by will</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[will]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 13:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[with Rolling Rock?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>with Rolling Rock?</p>
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